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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 20, 2015 18:47:53 GMT -5
Obviously it's still not going to be all oldies all the time, and I do hope nobody seriously believes this will be the case. That's simply not going to happen. Also, being a broadcast network Buzzer must comply with FCC regulations regarding a minimum amount of E/I programming per week, so I hope nobody's too upset when the channel begins airing the sort of nature/wildlife shows and educational cartoons that now define "Saturday morning TV" for the modern generation. I wish the FCC would amend regulations at least so digital subchannels wouldn't have to partake in this. I imagine if this was a Sony owned channel though they'd probably throw on an hour each of Wheel 2000, Jep!, and Joker Joker Joker and call it a day. |
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Post by thekid965 on Jan 20, 2015 18:58:35 GMT -5
That would be stretching the definition of "E/I" just a bit, perhaps. But no worse than Me-TV claiming Saved By the Bell counts as E/I, which I personally think is as ludicrous as those fools back in the '90s who tried to claim that ketchup qualified a vegetable.
I understand the reason the law exists and it's not a bad one, but this is exactly the sort of rationalizing that caused the law to exist and be so heavy-handed in the first place. But let's not go too far down this road, because I can foresee a major trainwreck of political debate awaiting at the next intersection.
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Post by caseyabell on Jan 20, 2015 19:17:10 GMT -5
Absolutely agree that it won't be all oldies all the time. The channel wouldn't do enough business. The question is what Fremantle can put on the channel and will put on the channel. We've got a pretty good idea that Harvey Feud will show up sooner or later, and I wouldn't be floored to see fairly recent TPiR and LMAD. My guess is that these shows, if and when they do turn up on Buzzr, will easily outrate the oldies (duh) and Fremantle will go the GSN route of more and more new stuff. But I may be a tad cynical here. Anyway, I expect mostly the old library at Buzzr's debut. Oh, one other thing. This idea has been percolating for a while. In a story from 2009 Fremantle exec Cecile Frot-Coutaz talked about using the library: "Fremantle also is mining the company’s vast Goodson-Todman game show library. GSN has the rights to air a few titles, but Frot-Coutaz’s team is working on a separate project to make classics available to viewers." The talk picked up over last summer as Fremantle put the Buzzr channel on YouTube, with a modish Family Feud. So the idea has been kicking around for years. The availability of digital subchannels made it feasible. I posted at Game Show Network News that this is the biggest thing to hit GSN in a long time. It's obviously not the most pleasant thing. Who really likes competition? But it may spark some change at the network to fend off the upstart. Trouble is, I don't think the change is necessarily going to be popular with classics fans. |
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Post by ladykelsey on Jan 20, 2015 19:36:52 GMT -5
BuzzrTV will be a welcome treat for game show fans everywhere and I think it will be similar to the Screen Gems classic TV lineup that aired on many FOX stations in the 90's but with classic game shows. Here's some classic game shows that BuzzrTV could add in the future if it's successful,
1. Beat The Clock {Bud Collyer version},
2. Split Second {Tom Kennedy version},
3. Concentration,
4. To Tell The Truth,
5. Monty Hall's LMAD,
And last but not least BuzzrTV should try this show on for size,
6. Battlestars,
As I said before BuzzrTV will be a huge hit when it debuts and will please classic game show fans of all ages,
Kelsey
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 20, 2015 20:35:18 GMT -5
We don't have any website to check channel listings yet, do we? Seems like they've still got work to do...
Sent from my GT-P5113 using proboards
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 20, 2015 21:26:09 GMT -5
Tom Kennedy's Split Second was wiped and only a few episodes exist in the online/trading circuit. Battlestars isn't owned by Fremantle.
I'd love it if NBC would finally let go rerun rights to Concentration, well at least the Goodson-Todman owned eras that exist, but that doesn't seem likely.
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Post by tpirrules1972 on Jan 20, 2015 21:52:07 GMT -5
Merged the discussions into this thread as it is, technically, something still in the future.
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 20, 2015 22:03:07 GMT -5
Merged the discussions into this thread as it is, technically, something still in the future. I was going to say... Why are there two threads on this topic? Thanks for merging. |
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Post by caseyabell on Jan 21, 2015 10:50:09 GMT -5
A long rant I just posted at Game Show Follies... GSN and Buzzr
At Game Show Network News, Scott Rahner pooh-poohs Buzzr, the new game show network. I loudly disagree... Buzzr starts out with a whole lot more households than GSN began with, and with the muscle of Fox's O&O stations behind it. Scott (and maybe some GSN execs) may want to pretend it's not a big deal. Yeah, right. For the first time ever, GSN will get competition from a nationally distributed game show network. No, nothing to see here at all. Just move along. Who is Scott kidding? Not me, anyway. And I bet he's not kidding David Goldhill, either. For two decades GSN has had the playing field all to itself as the nation's only game show network. Now there's a new kid in town backed by Fox and Fremantle, not exactly small-time operations. I really do think this spells the end for GSN's already shrinking block of oldies. Oh, maybe a weekday hour somewhere or an occasional special might survive. But if Buzzr rolls out a long list of old shows - as I think they will at the start, at least - GSN will probably figure, okay, let them have that sub-niche. It's not exactly the most lucrative sub-niche, as the Tylenol folks found out. And I also think the new competition will move Sony to freshen up GSN, possibly with recent Wheel of Fortune and an even more ambitious development slate. We'll see how things go as Buzzr gears up. But to dismiss the new network as no big deal for GSN is completely unconvincing. UPDATE: A commenter points out that Nick GAS provided some "competition" for GSN. Well, okay, in the strictly limited sub-niche of kid game shows, which has never been much of an interest for GSN. But Buzzr is the first grown-up (in every sense) competition as a nationally distributed game show network. One other comment while I'm in rant mode. Fremantle, the godfather of Buzzr, just happens to control GSN's most popular show (by far). Now I don't think Fremantle will pull Harvey Feud off GSN. As long as the price is right (sorry) Fremantle will probably be happy to keep selling Feud to anybody and everybody. But if negotiations ever get a bit testy, Fremantle has a lot more leverage. Don't want to pay our price? Hey, we've got our own game show network where we can run Steve’s Feud 24/7. Buzzr makes life more complicated for GSN in lots of interesting ways. |
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 21, 2015 13:35:13 GMT -5
Barring possible money issues, I don't think a lot is going to change too much with GSN. Even while digging out some rarities, they've been scaling back on classics for years anyway on the regular and stuff's probably going to be seen on both channels. Just like how TVLand's list of on-air classics over the years has shrunk, but they still air major shows like Three's Company, All in the Family, and Andy Griffith. Those shows can also be seen on the free over-the-air subchannels. I doubt the movies that air on the classic movie subchannels that have popped up are exclusive to them either when it comes to airing rights.
If you would like to get subchannels and you already have satellite or a cable provider, my best bet would be if possible, get a digital converter box and hook it up to your TV set. This is what I did when I still had cable and wanted to watch MeTV and Antenna TV.
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 21, 2015 13:44:16 GMT -5
TV Land hasn't aired All in the Family, or hardly any Norman Lear show since 2011/2012. You can tell TV Land is very limited these days with classic programming it seems like. They air blocks of Andy Griffith/Hogan's Heroes in the morning/early afternoon currently. Followed by Gunsmoke/Bonanza block, and hours of Walker Texas Ranger.
I stopped watching TV Land on a regular basis awhile back, I'v e been watching a bit more GSN lately than TV Land. TV Land airs more classics though, if you consider Roseanne to be a classic. They distanced themselves from Cosby Show, because, well you know, and I don't know about Golden Girls but those shows were truly classics.
I hate Viacom networks, period though. Their scheduling is so stupid, and they're a bunch of greedy you know whats.
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 21, 2015 13:59:34 GMT -5
Not trying to downplay anything. I just said earlier in the thread that I would never need cable again period after the discovery of this channel. This was the only void I had after cutting the cord for financial reasons and it's being filled with something for free. That in itself was enough to get my attention. Not to mention if I wanted to get GSN now at home, I'd have to pay extra to get a digital box in order to get GSN since it's on a higher tier. Buzzr is gonna take care of that for me and I have the feeling that I'm not the only person who feels this way, not just with this, but in regards to subchannels in general. For example, I don't pine about TVLand anymore because that void's been filled. What I'm saying is that GSN's managed to gain profitability for themselves with original programming and some other acquisitions. Not to mention they can get decent classics for the day that aren't Fremantle owned if worse comes to worse. Or they can split the runs of shows since GSN doesn't even air entire runs of classic shows anymore anyway. Hell, if anything, rerunning Harvey Feud in the ground, with the ratings it's been getting should have been helping them get some money in case the cost of airing rights increases a bit. TV Land hasn't aired All in the Family, or hardly any Norman Lear show since 2011/2012. You can tell TV Land is very limited these days with classic programming it seems like. They air blocks of Andy Griffith/Hogan's Heroes in the morning/early afternoon currently. Followed by Gunsmoke/Bonanza block, and hours of Walker Texas Ranger. I stopped watching TV Land on a regular basis awhile back, I'v e been watching a bit more GSN lately than TV Land. TV Land airs more classics though, if you consider Roseanne to be a classic. They distanced themselves from Cosby Show, because, well you know, and I don't know about Golden Girls but those shows were truly classics. I hate Viacom networks, period though. Their scheduling is so stupid, and they're a bunch of greedy you know whats. Didn't realize that about AITF. My mistake. The Golden Girls will turn 30 years old this year. Even taking my fan hat off, I think that counts. Roseanne'll be there in 3 years. Not to mention with all both shows have contributed to pop culture, I think they have earned the right at this point to be called classic. Gunsmoke and Bonanza air on MeTV also. So that'd be another example of shows airing on both kinds of networks. I think N@N/TVLand actually had it perfect in the early 2000's. N@N was phasing more into late '70's to the '80's programming while the majority of shows before that point aired on TVLand. Also the off the clock scheduling is one of several perfect valid points as to why I've been preferring the new classic subchannels. They're just doing it better. Especially MeTV. They still air major favorites that are guaranteed ratings grabbers that don't get a rest like MASH but don't run them into the ground and put out tons of variety, all while airing everything on time. None of this starting TV shows at 9:42 kind of BS. |
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Post by tpirrules1972 on Jan 21, 2015 15:00:35 GMT -5
I remember the days when GSN ran pre-90 shows from hours like 9am-3pm EST plus overnights and several hours on weekends. The trend is indeed there. The question is though, if it's a matter of "when" - *when* does that come? GSN is currently running through good numbers of never-before-seen material for the network with $ale and 1986 PYL. Do these shows represent a "last stand" for classics?
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 21, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -5
^ Good points you raise. I remember those days too, but I don't think classics are going anywhere anytime soon until the year 2025, 2030, 2040, 2050, or 2060. FUTURE. I could be way off, but who cares. I think Casey's acting like he's a part of the media now, when he actually has a day job. Two can play that game.  |
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 21, 2015 15:17:07 GMT -5
In terms of modern game shows, I watch Celebrity Name Game, new TPIR, new Jeopardy, and Hollywood Game Night over the air. On occasion I do the same with 5 year old reruns of Catch 21 if I want to watch it (that and Sherriwed Game air on Bounce, another subchannel). I can watch current UK shows like Million Pound Drop and their version of The Chase on the internet. Not that I do because I'm over it, but If I ever wanted to watch Harvey Feud, it airs regularly on the CW affiliate. Right now it's airing 4 times a day. So modern game shows for me are taken care of.
Classic game shows aren't that easy for me to come by on television outside of tape trading if I wanted to find ways to watch them besides YouTube or dailymotion, that and they don't often get this kind of attention; hence my excitement. That and this channel will be free.
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