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Post by phimat37 on Jan 21, 2015 15:51:42 GMT -5
People still love their ancient reruns of Chain Reaction and Catch 21. Pretty boring to me, but not to people who may not have seen all the episodes. They still do well.
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jan 21, 2015 16:10:10 GMT -5
I guess it's worth pointing out that GSN giving Bounce syndicated rerun rights for Catch 21 and Sherriwed is a perfect example of them making a bit of bank with subchannels themselves. And both shows still air on GSN. If they make smart programming decisions in the foreseeable future, they should continue to survive.
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 21, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:29:56 GMT -5
Well, all I can say is this: by the time Buzzr launches, Card Sharks on GSN may be no more by that time, and Press Your Luck will likely have exhausted all of the last remaining episodes (one can hope). Yep, there's a pretty good chance that I may be calling my cable provider by July or August, and cancelling the package that has GSN. I have no interest in Buzzr at all, though it probably won't be accessible in Canada yet. If I want classics, it's GSN or bust. Besides, my wish list (in terms of episodes I desired) will have been fulfilled, with 1987 Card Sharks episodes I wanted to see (episodes from later in 1987 to the end of the run in 1989 are low priority for me), plus 1986 Press Your Luck episodes and $ale of the Century (which are on my higher priority list), I think with the news about Buzzr being launched, I think it's safe to say, my interest in classic game shows is likely going to slowly fade off into the sunset sooner than I realize.
In either event, I am going to enjoy the classics while they still exist on GSN. Once they're gone, they're gone. And then I may be able to focus on other interests, including more time on Second Life with less multitasking. It will be like 2004 all over again, when virtually no "childhood obsessions" were prevalent in my life.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 22, 2015 5:38:27 GMT -5
This network sounds like it'll be pretty good, although anyone expecting anything outside the Goodson-Todman, Grundy, Hatos-Hall, or Carruthers libraries...well, really shouldn't be. More wild-blue speculation. Maybe this new competitor to GSN - that's what it is, after all - will finally spur Sony to put modern-day Wheel of Fortune on their own game show network. Why modern-day Wheel? Because it'd have the same production values and gimmicks as the Deal or No Deal, Chain Reaction, and Family Feud that's currently in the lineup? Alternatively, put on Wheel from late 1987 or so, back when the show was more about the gameplay and being good at it than gimmicks, plugs, and stupid-hard bonus puzzles. (And there's a difference between then and now: if Merv and Nancy wanted to save money, they used very short bonus puzzles like WAX, WIG, and ZOO or brought out Slang; if Harry wants to save money, he uses bonus puzzles with inane adjectives like WILDLY HAPPY GUY and FAVORITE MUG.) ...No, wait, putting on 1980s-90s Wheel would show people that Wheel used to be colorful, more lively (even with those long stopdowns between puzzles), and had more than two kinds of prizes. Never mind.  Here's some classic game shows that BuzzrTV could add in the future if it's successful, [...] 2. Split Second {Tom Kennedy version}, 3. Concentration, [...] 6. Battlestars, was a Hatos-Hall show, although I'm not sure who owns it now. Viacom Networks might own the 1980s version. Concentration was a Barry-Enright show that got bought out by NBC shortly after its 1958 debut, when the scandals started brewing. Battlestars was a Heatter-Quigley show and, I'm guessing, is owned by either Heatter or Sony. (Pretty sure Heatter's kept a hold on Gambit and High Rollers, at least, given Catch 21 and that frickin'-awful Dice Fever.) the window for pre-1990 shows continues to get smaller and smaller on GSN. They're now down to 11% of the schedule, and I don't think that number has stopped falling. Then why does the other 89% of the schedule skip the entire period from 1990 to about 2008? Never quite understood that, myself. |
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 22, 2015 17:15:46 GMT -5
Can you two take it to PMs? Thanks.
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 22, 2015 17:44:50 GMT -5
Sorry, Mandoli. I knew it was becoming a problem. I apologize for even engaging myself in such a debate. In fact, this is pointless. I'm going to take the liberty of deleting the banter between us. All's I was doing was stating my thoughts and opinions, so was Casey, but I understand. It was kind of becoming spam, I guess. |
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Post by thekid965 on Jan 22, 2015 18:39:23 GMT -5
Concentration was a Barry-Enright show that got bought out by NBC shortly after its 1958 debut, when the scandals started brewing. Even if Fremantle does technically own the Narz and Trebek runs of Concentration by virtue of their being G-T/MGP shows, NBC owns the trademarks and format lock, stock and barrel. They wouldn't allow GSN to air it; there's no reason at all to suspect their attitude towards Buzzr would be any different. Minor correction: Battlestars was Merrill Heatter's first solo production. Bob Quigley was out of the picture by then. Depending on timing and the "bicycling" of syndicated shows at the time, either Las Vegas Gambit or the final syndie (Vegas) season of Squares was the final aired series to bear the full Heatter-Quigley trademark. There is also the open question of exactly how much of the H-Q library still exists. Right now, we know for certain that The Hollywood Squares, arguably the most important H-Q show, exists in its syndicated and NBC Primetime forms, with scattered daytime episodes (including at least one '70s Storybook Squares special) for good measure. Most of NBC's pre-1978 daytime game show output is believed lost to the bulk eraser, which would include the vast lion's share of H-Q's output over the years. There is also a slim but realistic chance that the latter-day Trebek High Rollers, Las Vegas Gambit, and Battlestars met with a similar fate despite coming after the confirmed date of NBC's general tape purge. The status of CBS Gambit is unknown, though there's a slender thread of hope that at least a partial run may turn up somewhere just as the CBS-era Joker's Wild did. And Hot Seat is likely gone as well, though based on the lone episode that's been kicking around the trading circuit for years now, that's probably for the best. Heatter's solo output from the '80s post- Battlestars ( All-Star Blitz, Martindale High Rollers, The Last Word) is almost certainly still around. Oh, and the Carruthers Company "library" is almost an oxymoron. It consists of Press Your Luck, Second Chance if ABC hadn't wiped it, and... um, Designated Hitter. That's not a library, it's the magazine rack at Walgreens. Am I missing anything? |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 23, 2015 19:44:58 GMT -5
Minor correction: Battlestars was Merrill Heatter's first solo production. Bob Quigley was out of the picture by then. Wow, yeah, sorry about that. Depending on timing and the "bicycling" of syndicated shows at the time, either Las Vegas Gambit or the final syndie (Vegas) season of Squares was the final aired series to bear the full Heatter-Quigley trademark. , definitely -- it ended in November '81, whereas Squares ended in September. Oh, and the Carruthers Company "library" is almost an oxymoron. It consists of Press Your Luck, Second Chance if ABC hadn't wiped it, and... um, Designated Hitter. That's not a library, it's the magazine rack at Walgreens. Am I missing anything? Lemme see... Golf For Swingers (1972), Give-N-Take (1975), and The Neighbors (1975-76), as well as being partly behind the ABC version of You Don't Say! (1975). He also has a bunch of unsold pilots to his credit -- Big Spenders (1974-75), Beat the Odds (1975 revival attempt), Magic Moments (1985), Up and Over (1986 Give-N-Take revamp hosted by Carruthers himself), and 2 Heads are Better than One (1990). Mind you, that's all the ones I know of. |
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Post by thekid965 on Jan 24, 2015 1:28:20 GMT -5
Never heard of Golf for Swingers, didn't know The Neighbors was his, and I totally forgot about Give-N-Take and the '70s You Don't Say!.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure all of these series are long lost to the bulker, putting them on par with Second Chance. In terms of tapes you can actually air, it's pretty much Press Your Luck and Designated Hitter, period.
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Post by tpirrules1972 on Jan 24, 2015 2:32:53 GMT -5
Of course, a show of The Neighbors' quality is probably better off left to the annals of tape erasure...
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Post by WarioSajak on Jan 24, 2015 2:33:51 GMT -5
Kinda forgot about this one, although it wasn't a game show: The Johnny Cash Show (1969-71), the Carruthers Company's first series (the company was founded in '68), although I'm not sure who owns it now. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure all of these series are long lost to the bulker, putting them on par with Second Chance. In terms of tapes you can actually air, it's pretty much Press Your Luck and Designated Hitter, period. Pretty much, yeah.  Of course, a show of The Neighbors' quality is probably better off left to the annals of tape erasure... Personally, the episode uploaded by videoarchives1000 is far better than the pilot. At least the theme isn't that inane "Pick A Little, Talk A Little". |
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Post by caseyabell on Jan 25, 2015 12:20:03 GMT -5
"Why modern-day Wheel?" GSN got huge ratings - really unprecedented for daytime - when they ran a marathon of kinda contemporary Wheel on Black Friday, 2010. The marathon got zero promotion. In fact, it was a completely stealth operation. GSN didn't even announce it. Imagine how a heavily promoted package of, say, last year's Wheel would perform on the network. "Then why does the other 89% of the schedule skip the entire period from 1990 to about 2008?" Actually, the current schedule doesn't skip the entire period. The NBC Deal or No Deal now running on the network (and getting more weekend slots lately) dates from that period. So does Chain Reaction. Of course, GSN has previously rerun a bunch of shows from 1990-2008, most notably Regis Millionaire, Karn Feud and their own Lingo. UPDATE: Just a couple more words on the possibility of recent Wheel showing up on GSN. Sony might wait to see if Buzzr amounts to anything. If the new subchannel runs oldies almost exclusively, it probably won't draw much of an audience beyond a few hardcores (like the people - me, for instance - who post on game show Internet boards). But if Buzzr shows any signs of catching on, recent Wheel on GSN is Sony's nuclear option. Wheel often draws four or five million for its current weekend repeat in syndication. GSN wouldn't get those kinds of numbers, of course, but they might duplicate the 500K-600K numbers the Black Friday marathon got for some eps. |
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Post by phimat37 on Jan 26, 2015 11:23:04 GMT -5
Can you call me by my first name? I don't want to start another argument, but remember, I think it might've been on your blog, or somewhere, that somebody addressed you "Abell...", it might've been on the GSN Message boards, actually. Then you started telling him about calling you by your last name instead of first name, I forget what you exactly said, and I don't want to drag this off-topic, but my name is Robert, or Bob, but on the internet, I've been called Robert, and I expect the same respect you'd expect.
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Post by caseyabell on Jan 26, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
On my blog I've posted a quote in the sidebar forever where a guy refers to me by my last name ("the Abell approach"). Never knew it was such a big deal. Anyway, I edited out the comment on this board with your last name.
Just a few more thoughts on this new subchannel...
If Buzzr trots out, say, last year's The Price is Right, Let's Make a Deal and Family Feud, Sony might feel almost compelled to go nuclear with last year's Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy on GSN. A lineup of such recent and very popular shows on a direct competitor might finally overcome the powerful internal objections at Sony to giving GSN their own most popular and recent product. Sony has always wanted to protect the crown jewels from overexposure, but such competition might force their hand.
But if Buzzr runs a lineup of almost all twenty, thirty, forty year old shows, then GSN may hardly react at all. (Other than getting rid of their own classics, which some people at GSN might have been waiting for a good excuse to do.)
I know this analysis is unwelcome around here and the game show Interwebs in general. But it's really how I see things developing with Buzzr and GSN. We'll see what actually happens.
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