Win, Lose, or Draw...

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I suspect Brian was a contestant from the audience at the end of the show, drawing a phrase to try to win $100, which they usually did when the maingame ran short. A post on Game SHow Paradise says this is the Monday show of that week from the NBC daytime version. The NBC daytime version hasn't been seen since its original broadcast 30 years ago, and the syndicated version ran on USA from Dec 1990-Dec 92(most if not all of the run aired over the two years), and 200 episodes from Fall 1987-Fall 1988 from syndication ran on GSN between April 2002-March 2004.

[gameshwfn4ever]

The best episodes IMO where when Dom DeLuise and Burt Reynolds were on there together. They sometimes played around with host Bert Convy with DeLuise standing behind his back with Convy's arms folded back and make it look like DeLuise would use his arms performing actions while Convy talked usually explaining the rules. That always cracked me up or when Reynolds would just tear the paper viciously needing another page. I really hope Buzzr can get a package of what GSN aired back then at least.

[vahan]

Buzzr has episodes of Strike It Rich on Amazon, which was also produced by Kline & Friends. But, it's possible it's because Fremantle owns the entire format in countries such as the USA and UK (in the UK, it's called Strike It Lucky). WLOD is, of course, owned by Disney.

[stevearino]

Dear Mr. Paull,

I have a Request for Disney Plus: to upload the Complete Series Library of the Disney Channel Original Game Show "Teen Win, Lose or Draw," showcasing all 65 half-hour episodes of the '80s Disney Channel Original Game Show "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" 100% Complete, 100% Uncut, AND 100% Unedited, just the way that they originally aired on The Disney Channel Television Network.

I doubt you're familiar with it, Michael, but in case you aren't, here's the Inside Information from an Avid fan who watched the show as a 7-year-old boy.

Created by Jay Wolpert, "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" originally aired on Disney Channel from April 29, 1989 - September 26, 1992, with all 65 half-hour episodes Videotaped entirely at The Disney-MGM Studios in Orlando, Florida.

Hosted by Marc Price, each episode had 2 teams (each composed of a Teen Celebrity Guest and 2 Teen Contestants per show) compete in a Boys vs. Girls game where the Object was to get their teammates to say words, names & phrases by drawing, with the team with the most points at game's end winning a Prize Package e.g. a trip to Palm Springs, California, while the runners-up won a Cheaper Prize Package e.g. Nintendo NES Video Games.

Each game began with a Clue Puzzle Round where the teams had 60 seconds to guess a series of Clues leading up to a famous subject e.g. Kirk Cameron.

This was followed by a Phrase Round, where the teams had 60 seconds or less to Communicate a Phrase (e.g. "Pinocchio") from a Particular Category e.g. "Disney Movies"; as with the original "Win, Lose or Draw" (which this show spun off from), each game ended with a 90-Second Speed Round to determine the respective Prize Package winners, and occasionally, depending on time at the end of each taping, an Audience Round was played where a selected Audience member drew a word for the teams of their choice to earn $25 Disney Dollars in Season 1 and "Win, Lose or Draw Junior" in Season 2.

After Jay Wolpert stepped down as showrunner, he was succeeded for Season 2 by the duo of Scott Stone & David Stanley; simultaneously, a trio of Disney Channel Mouseketeers who pulled double duty as announced on Season 1 of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" were replaced solely by Mark Walberg.

Season 1 episodes of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" were taped, respectively, in March 1989 & May 1989, consisting of 39 half-hour episodes which subsequently were telecast twice weekly on weekends, respectively on Saturday nights at 6:30 P.M. ET & Sunday mornings at 11:30 A.M. ET.

Season 2 episodes of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" were taped in Summer 1990, consisting of 26 half-hour episodes which subsequently were telecast once weekly only with new episodes on Saturday Mornings only on Disney Channel.

"Teen Win, Lose or Draw" was produced by Jay Wolpert Enterprises (Season 1) and Stone Stanley Productions (Season 2) for Walt Disney Television.

A partial episode list of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" includes the following:

1. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Tina Yothers & Christopher Barnes
2. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Tina Yothers & Freddy Koehler
3. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Allison Smith & Christopher Barnes
4. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Allison Smith & Freddy Koehler
5. 1989A: Celebrity Guests are Lecy Goranson & Danny Pintauro
6. 1989B: Celebrity Guests are Lecy Goranson & Danny Pintauro
7. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Soleil Moon Frye & Brice Beckham
8. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Soleil Moon Frye & Danny Pintauro
9. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Lecy Goranson & Brice Beckham
10. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Candace Cameron & Chad Allen
11. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Candace Cameron & Danny Ponce
12. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Mayim Bialik & Danny Ponce
13. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Josie Davis & Wil Wheaton
14. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Regina King & Wil Wheaton
15. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Tannis Vallely & Josh Saviano
16. 1989A: Celebrity Guests are Josie Davis & Jason Hervey
17. 1989B: Celebrity Guests are Josie Davis & Jason Hervey
18. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Tiffany Brissette & David Faustino
19. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Ari Meyers & David Faustino
20. 1989: Celebrity Guests are Jamie Luner & Scott Nemes
21. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Candace Cameron & Brian Green
22. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Candace Cameron & Chris Young
23. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Kellie Martin & Bobby Jacoby
24. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Kellie Martin & Brice Beckham
25. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Josie Davis & Bobby Jacoby
26. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Josie Davis & Scott Weinger
27. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Marisa Ryan & Scott Weinger
28. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Mayim Bialik & Brice Beckham
29. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Staci Keanan & Adam Jeffries
30. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Christie Clark & Adam Jeffries
31. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Tina Yothers & Adam Jeffries
32. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Kellie Williams & Johnny Galecki
33. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Jenny Beck & Jay Ferguson
34. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Christie Clark & Darius McCrary
35. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Danica McKellar & Jason Hervey
36. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Maureen Flannigan & Jason Hervey
37. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Maureen Flannigan & Matthew Newmark
38. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Danica McKellar & Matthew Newmark

There you have it, Mr. Paull, 38 confirmed episodes known to exist of the 65 half-hour episodes of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw." I can also confirm, based on Classic Disney Channel promos, that Mayim Bialik, David Faustino & Leonardo DiCaprio have appeared at least one other time on the show, with Jay Ferguson having appeared at least twice more, and one episode featured Trey Parker, futurely of "Disney's Newsies," then appearing on "Hull High," making 44 total episodes confirmed known to exist including the 38 shows listed above.

PLEASE include "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" on Disney Plus in the near future.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Steve Arino

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I suspect Win lose or Draw coming to a Disney streaming service is at the bottom of their priority list, even the revival on Disney from five years ago.

[Mandoli]

For the people in the back: ALL discussion about this show - including the teen version - will go in this thread.

[stevearino]

Thanks for the suggestion, Mandoli.

And in relation to this discussion, I regretfully neglected to list 3 MORE "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" episodes known to exist, all from 1990.

1. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Tina Yothers & Alexander Polinsky
2. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Jenny Lewis & Alexander Polinsky
3. 1990: Celebrity Guests are Crystal McKellar & Alexander Polinsky

Meaning the total of CONFIRMED "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" episodes known to exist, of the 65 half-hour episodes taped in 1989 & 1990 at The Disney-MGM Studios in Orlando, Florida, is now up to 47.

[stevearino]

Assuming that Disney Plus NEVER streams "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" or the 2014 revival called "Disney Win, Lose or Draw," I'd love it if someone could upload ANY episode of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" for me on YouTube or Vimeo or DailyMotion or whatever related sites. Heck, I'd love it if someone on Archive.org could upload any episode they have for me.

[stevearino]

Of the confirmed episodes known to exist, I would LOVE with a passion to see the episode featuring Josie Davis of TV's "Charles in Charge" and the future voice of "Disney's Aladdin," Scott Weinger; 2 key things stuck out for me.

First of all, the caricature of host Marc Price read next to it "Hawaii or Bust," and secondly, the announcer, Mark Walberg, mispronounced Scott Weinger's name as "Scott Winger" when it's actually pronounced "Scott Wine-Gur" (sounds like "Fine Girl").

[werewolf444]

I have searched everywhere for the episode with Jimmy Walker. It was one that Bert Convy hosted. I was the non-celebrity contestant. But it's not even mentioned on Walker's IMDB page.

[bfundijr151]

Will you anymore Johnny Gilbert sub-host week episodes from 1988?

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Sept 20, 2021 8:50:57 GMT -5 bfundijr151 said:

Will you anymore Johnny Gilbert sub-host week episodes from 1988?

I won't anymore what I don't have.

[splinkynip]

Win Lose or Draw was the only series I believe to have a daytime network and nighttime syndication version debut on the same day. I think I remember hearing that Disney asked for NBC to end the daytime version so that the syndicated version can be aired in all day parts. Disney also wanted to go with a younger host, hence Bert leaving the show and deciding he wanted to host Third Degree, replacing Peter Marshall. Peter was pissed off that Bert didn't tell him personally, so he sued Bert. Peter dropped the lawsuit when he learned how sick Bert was, and he didn't have nice things to say about him in his book.

During the summer of 1989, the show experimented with the format and new bonus round, which was carried over to the Robb Weller season.

[stevearino]

Dear To Whom It May Concern,

    I have a proposal for Disney Plus: in honor of the 35th Anniversary of "Win, Lose or Draw," it's my humblest of suggestions for Disney Plus to add all incarnations of "Win, Lose or Draw" to Disney Plus--including the network series hosted by Vicki Lawrence, the nighttime series hosted by Bert Convy, all 65 half-hour episodes Disney Channel's "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" hosted by Marc Price, and the 2014 revival known as "Disney Win, Lose or Draw" with Justin Willman.

    As I'm sure you may know, the original grown-up "Win, Lose or Draw" was conceived and Created by Burt Reynolds & Bert Convy (known collectively as Burt & Bert), who loosely based the game on Pictionary and had conceived it sometime earlier when they noticed that Fred Astaire (who had recently died in Summer 1987 when the series began taping) was shy at playing friendly games of "Celebrity Charades" at Burt's house, so they came up with Drawing to ease his shyness.

    After "Wheel of Jeopardy!" creator Merv Griffin told Burt how much money he'd made on Game Shows, Burt & Bert decided to turn their Drawing Game into a Game Show that eventually became known as "Win, Lose or Draw."

    For the network series, airing on NBC and debuting on September 7, 1987, Vicki Lawrence was selected as Network Host, with Bert Convy (already doing double Game Show duty on "Super Password") as Nighttime Syndie host.

    Both Network and Syndie shows debuted the same day, with the Network series debuting first. Around 1988, veteran Game Show producer Jay Wolpert, with Burt & Bert's blessing, decided to make a spin-off Game Show for Disney Channel known as "Teen Win, Lose or Draw," selecting Marc Price (fresh from his run as Irwin "Skippy" Handleman on "Family Ties") to host the show.

    65 half-hour episodes of "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" would be Taped in 1989 and 1990, respectively, at The Disney-MGM Studios in Orlando, Florida, airing from April 29, 1989 - September 26, 1992 on Disney Channel, with new episodes in 1989 airing twice weekly on weekends, Saturday nights at 6:30 P.M. ET and Sunday mornings at 11 A.M. ET on Disney Channel. After Jay Wolpert stepped down after the first season of 39 episodes, he was succeeded as showrunner for the 2nd season by Scott Stone & David Stanley for the 2nd season of 26 half-hour episodes airing once weekly on Saturdays.

    After Burt & Bert left the original "Win, Lose or Draw," with NBC cancelling the network show after 2 seasons, they were succeeded as showrunner by Richard Kline (NOT the "Three's Company" actor, but rather Richard Kline the founder of Kline & Friends Productions, a co-producer for Buena Vista Television) and Robb Weller succeeded Bert as host in a Game Show format which DID NOT need fixing, with a Play-Along format and returning Champs.

    In 1990, after 3 seasons, The Walt Disney Company wisely cancelled the original "Win, Lose or Draw," with "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" ceasing production after taping its 2nd season of 26 episodes at Disney-MGM Studios in 1990.

    In 2013, Disney Channel announced it was bringing back "Teen Win, Lose or Draw," this time with new episodes as "Disney Win, Lose or Draw," with Justin Willman succeeding Marc Price as host and Disney Channel stars appearing with Teen Contestants. The Disney Channel would air the episodes with a January 17, 2014 Sneak Peek debut, after which it aired regularly from March 3, 2014 - May 21, 2014 on Disney Channel for 40 half-hour episodes.

    With over 1,000 Network episodes PLUS 585 Syndie episodes PLUS 65 half-hour "Teen Win, Lose or Draw" episodes PLUS 40 "Disney Win, Lose or Draw" episodes, I PERSONALLY believe the "Win, Lose or Draw" format would be a VERY Welcome Addition to Disney Plus. Do You?

                                                                                                Sincerely,
                                                                                                Steve Arino

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I think there's a better chance of WLOD airing on Buzzr than on Disney Plus, but who knows.