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Post by vahan on Jun 15, 2016 18:21:39 GMT -5
dare2be ,which episodes of The $25,000 Pyramid did GSN skip from May 1985-April 1987, September 21-25, and October 1987-July 1988? I only know of the following: Week of September 9, 1985 (One episode) Week of September 30, 1985 (One episode) Week of November 18, 1985 (Two episodes)
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Post by gsnnadmin on Jun 16, 2016 11:45:31 GMT -5
GSN, you can get rid of the pre-1990's classics as many times as you can, but they will always keep coming back to your network. No matter how hard you try. My assumption is GSN must not have been happy with the Card Sharks ratings, especially at 3 airings within a two hour period. But you're right: In the past, GSN has attempted to cut back on classics by minimizing morning airtime and it has never worked. A recent example is 2015, when shows like Catch 21, Shop 'Til You Drop and Family Feud (O'Hurley) only briefly replaced The $25,000 Pyramid, Sale of the Century and Match Game, only to be restored weeks and months later. Plus, I would put a wager that the pre-1990's perform better than Lingo from these ratings (of course Lingo goes against TPIR): gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2016/05/gsn-ratings-525-good-for-card-sharks.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 14:02:09 GMT -5
Or it may have been a case of GSN trying to negotiate a deal to get more $25,000 Pyramid episodes, and when the last lease expired in May, negotiations may been still ongoing, and Card Sharks may have been designated as a placeholder until GSN and Sony recently struck a deal. Of course, it's just speculation. Plus, contrary to a claim by someone on Facebook, the launch of the new version of $100,000 Pyramid on ABC most likely has zero percent to do with the acquisition of the earliest episodes of The $25,000 Pyramid.
And with the current acquisition of 1982-83 Pyramid episodes, this just goes to show that demand for pre-1990s programming likely has plenty of life left, even if it's mostly 1980s material.
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Post by dare2be on Jun 16, 2016 14:27:03 GMT -5
dare2be ,which episodes of The $25,000 Pyramid did GSN skip from May 1985-April 1987, September 21-25, and October 1987-July 1988? I only know of the following: Week of September 9, 1985 (One episode) Week of September 30, 1985 (One episode) Week of November 18, 1985 (Two episodes) I wouldn't be able to tell definitively, as my listing only shows episodes that I don't have, whether it was skipped by GSN, or because I had a recording snafu on my end. Here are my best guesses: Missing: 05-22-85 (698) (missed recording) 07-11-85 (734) GSN skipped? 07-18-85 (739) GSN skipped? 11-18-85 (826) GSN skipped 11-19-85 (827) GSN skipped 05-20-86 (957) GSN skipped? 05-21-86 (958) GSN skipped? 05-22-86 (959) GSN skipped? 05-23-86 (960) GSN skipped? 06-18-86 (978) GSN skipped 06-19-86 (979) GSN skipped 06-25-86 (983) GSN skipped 08-15-86 (1020) GSN skipped? 08-18-86 (1021) GSN skipped? 08-19-86 (1022) GSN skipped? 09-19-86 (1045) GSN skipped 10-29-86 (1073) GSN skipped 12-11-86 (1104) GSN skipped 01-07-87 (1123) GSN skipped 02-05-87 (1144) GSN skipped? 02-06-87 (1145) GSN skipped? 02-09-87 (1146) GSN skipped? 03-27-87 (1180) GSN skipped? 03-30-87 (1181) GSN skipped? 03-31-87 (1182) GSN skipped? 04-13-87 (1191) missed recording |
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Post by gsnnadmin on Jun 16, 2016 17:24:51 GMT -5
Or it may have been a case of GSN trying to negotiate a deal to get more $25,000 Pyramid episodes, and when the last lease expired in May, negotiations may been still ongoing, and Card Sharks may have been designated as a placeholder until GSN and Sony recently struck a deal. Of course, it's just speculation. Plus, contrary to a claim by someone on Facebook, the launch of the new version of $100,000 Pyramid on ABC most likely has zero percent to do with the acquisition of the earliest episodes of The $25,000 Pyramid. And with the current acquisition of 1982-83 Pyramid episodes, this just goes to show that demand for pre-1990s programming likely has plenty of life left, even if it's mostly 1980s material. A boost for the new version of The $100,000 Pyramid is completely false, a point also brought up at GameShowNetworkNews: gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2016/06/revised-gsn-schedule-for-june-20-26.html?showComment=1466083516092#c2979817658770017633I would only believe that if GSN put old versions of Pyramid (whether Clark, Osmond or Richards) in primetime with promos. The negotiating a deal is probable-I just do not know why it would take more than a month to negotiate a deal over a classic game show that is dirt cheap to acquire. I am well aware Dancing with the Stars rerun negotiations went on forever in 2011. Harvey Feud lease negotiations probably take a while too. But with GSN, who prioritizes elsewhere, they could have put off/fowled up renewing a lease for The $25,000 Pyramid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 17:51:03 GMT -5
Well, I could of sworn I remember Casey Abell mentioning that it may be cheaper to lease episodes of an older syndicated show than an older network show. I can see why it may take longer to negotiate a lease to Harvey's Feud - leasing the most recent episodes is quite expensive, and as the episodes get older, they get cheaper to acquire.
GSN negotiated for Dancing with the Stars in 2011, and acquired the rights to three separate seasons for airing on GSN in 2012, most likely. The results was disastrous, and was money well wasted. GSN aired two seasons, and pulled the show off the schedule, though in the days leading up to July 4, 2012, GSN aired the last remaining season they supposedly had the rights to, and did away with the show after that.
Remember when GSN leased The Amazing Race around 2005 (I remember seeing the banner with a bunch of runners across the screen then)? That was money spent that went down the toilet, though GSN did manage to air that for two years before the show was pulled off the air, so the ratings must have been good enough to keep it on the air for the duration of the lease, if it was for two years.
Though Wheel of Fortune is a totally different story. There are claims that the cost to lease Wheel is quite expensive. But I believe I remember early in 2010, I read on the defunct GSN Buzz boards that Pat Sajak may have "bad-mouthed" GSN (for a second time?) for airing older episodes of Wheel of Fortune, and I think the mention was made on a first run episode from January 2010 - and not long after that, GSN updated the schedule and Wheel of Fortune was being removed from the schedule the following Monday, as was posted on Twitter. Maybe Pat Sajak only wants to be recognized for the modern-day episodes and not the older episodes, perhaps?
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Post by WarioSajak on Jun 16, 2016 19:38:25 GMT -5
GSN negotiated for Dancing with the Stars in 2011, The promo announcing that was weird, too, since it included a clip of Gene-Gene from The Gong Show...which GSN hasn't aired in years. Though Wheel of Fortune is a totally different story. There are claims that the cost to lease Wheel is quite expensive. I can believe it. Based on Sony's attitude since about Season 28, it might have to do with royalties, especially where Merv Griffin and Steve Kaplan's music cues are involved. (There's also the issue of show quality compared to even 10 years ago, but that's kinda subjective and not really relevant to this discussion.) Maybe Pat Sajak only wants to be recognized for the modern-day episodes and not the older episodes, perhaps? I kinda doubt this, since 1) Pat's never struck me as the kind of guy who'd be like that and 2) he's bashed elements of the show past and present over the years. |
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Post by dare2be on Jun 16, 2016 22:28:35 GMT -5
The negotiating a deal is probable-I just do not know why it would take more than a month to negotiate a deal over a classic game show that is dirt cheap to acquire. I think it isn't as much a delay in negotiations as it might have been a delay in converting the episodes for airing once the lease was agreed upon. Just another semi-educated guess. |
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Post by gsnnadmin on Jun 17, 2016 10:59:33 GMT -5
GSN negotiated for Dancing with the Stars in 2011, and acquired the rights to three separate seasons for airing on GSN in 2012, most likely. The results was disastrous, and was money well wasted. GSN aired two seasons, and pulled the show off the schedule, though in the days leading up to July 4, 2012, GSN aired the last remaining season they supposedly had the rights to, and did away with the show after that. GSN acquired the rights to seasons 4-13 of Dancing with the Stars. That is ten seasons worth: corp.gsn.com/press/releases/gsn-game-show-network-acquires-exclusive-network-rights-dancing-with-stars Only about three of those seasons ended up airing on GSN. One or two seasons from January-April 2012, another Independence Day week 2012 and (part of/complete) another Super Bowl Sunday 2013. Then it was gone for good. As you said, DWTS I believe was GSN's biggest failure financially ever. As for the promo, if I recall correctly, it was GSN proving "DWTS is a game show without all the shiny bells a whistles". I think that's where The Gong Show was shown...... |
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Post by pzimm7778 on Jun 17, 2016 11:48:18 GMT -5
I was rather shocked DWTS was a ratings disaster for them.
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Post by Mandoli on Jun 17, 2016 11:52:16 GMT -5
I was rather shocked DWTS was a ratings disaster for them. And for every one person who's shocked, there are two people who said "I told you so". Goes on and on. |
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Post by vahan on Jun 17, 2016 11:58:09 GMT -5
Reality TV is NEVER welcome to GSN. Shocked that they STILL refused to take the hint.
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Post by gsnnadmin on Jun 18, 2016 11:16:46 GMT -5
I was rather shocked DWTS was a ratings disaster for them. I was not. GSN scheduled Dancing with the Stars in 10-hour block marathon formats (that repeated the next day, I believe). They were also reruns of seasons people already knew who won. |
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Post by Mandoli on Jun 18, 2016 11:35:23 GMT -5
Reality TV is NEVER welcome to GSN. I want to say they got the rights to early seasons of Amazing Race and stuck them in the death trap of time slots. Which is why (some) reality TV shouldn't be on GSN. |
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Post by caseyabell on Jun 20, 2016 16:25:15 GMT -5
Amazing Race started out as a demo hit for GSN and even got good total viewer numbers. But the network rapidly burned it out with insane overexposure. Back then GSN execs probably couldn't believe that any show on their network was getting measurable 18-49 ratings.
I was one of those who thought Dancing With the Stars would perform well on GSN. Shows what I know. Though to give myself a little credit, I also thought Harvey Feud would do okay on the network (it did).
Happened to see the 25K Pyramid ep this morning (June 20) on GSN. It was the first episode when the show returned to CBS on September 20, 1982. There were small differences in format and even gameplay from the more familiar eps later in the run. It was funny to hear Dick Clark explaining some of the rules in detail at the start of the new CBS run. Constance McCashin and Robert Mandan were the celebs.
Also, it's kind of nice that Chain Reaction is now at 1:00 PM Central. I can watch it right after Celebrity Name Game in my market. Now if GSN would only make some more Catherwood eps.
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