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Post by manekineko on Dec 6, 2012 22:31:58 GMT -5
okay, for those of you wondering, I am migrating UGSHS here. I don't want to do more than 2 at a time, but what would you all like to see? Main game, ToL, Masters, ToOH? Talk to me and I'll start it up next week. The tipping point for it leaving GSN was the fact they moderate all posts now. Screw that. I want to post and have some fun. I will return the: Punishment Time!, Triple Threat!, Bonus Vote Day!!, Triple Vote Day!, Triple-Double and yes, once per game I will do a Triple Triple Threat!!, Oh yes, when I call the Triple Triple Threat, I will return to the soulmate idea, but I will require a different answer than the one that won. I'm also going to be experimenting with colors since dark purple seems to suck here. That is all.
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Post by Mandoli on Dec 7, 2012 18:39:23 GMT -5
Main game and a ToL. I don't do a overrated tournament often, because that just feels more special than the original three. I kind of wish the triple-T thing wasn't always a "soulmate" thing, because that probably wouldn't be much of a thought - "naked and a party chick" isn't really creative if it's done all of the time. Now, if it required more of a thought, then great. Go outside your comfort zone. Now, then... I'll be moving this thread to the game forum soon, because I'm going to make a special board for the Ultimate Survivor series.
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Post by manekineko on Dec 7, 2012 19:26:56 GMT -5
THe only reason I was thinking about it was because the last game was deleted and I wanted a permanent copy.
Remember: As far as the canon of this game is concerned, UGSHS 34 is being done from scratch. It never existed the last time. But if it will make you feel better, I'll make that one a Triple-Double and we'll do a new category to be determined when I think of it. The Triple Triple Threat will be a different topic every installment, much like the others. The only difference is that the Triple Triple Threat will be a once-in-a-game powerup.
There will also be a Triple-Double or a Bonus Vote Day related to Pack 13 of Torquemada's strip poker girls TBD but likely to hit early.
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Post by Mandoli on Dec 7, 2012 20:14:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the main game is a definite go, no matter what anyone else thinks.
That idea of the Triple-T sounds good. Make it like Final Jeopardy and reveal the "category" the night before you want to have it. Then have us scratch our heads by thinking about it.
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Post by manekineko on Jan 18, 2013 22:41:05 GMT -5
You probably figured it out. I officially cancelled the Tournament of Losers.
The reason I axed the game originally was because the game was getting more and more polarized, that is that the game was no longer a game, but was tantamount to World War III.
Games are not fun when people collude against one another. It's why I practically never compete against real people anymore. I always play single-player against a computer or play a cooperative mode unless absolutely necessary.
Competition turns good people into double-dealing, backstabbing, apostate turncoats who would swindle people and win at every cost, then steal the pennies from their eyes after they were killed. You guys have proven that beyond any reproach. When 17 out of the last 20 votes were done in that manner, it was pretty authoritative that was your guys intent. There was no voting on talent, rather on spite.
The game is cancelled. There will be no reboot of it. Colluding to vote based on spite is not fun, nor should it be part of the game. Had the votes been a little more dispersed or scattered, it would not have been a problem. There was no doubt at all that the voting was not based on merit or who belonged where. It was simply based on payback to a majestic level, one that should never have been part of the game.
Against my better judgment, I will continue the regular game until the inevitable fucking over that will happen. I give you guys one week, tops.
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 19, 2013 0:03:55 GMT -5
I gave you my opinion on it, and I want no bitching about it once I post it here.
When you start off the game by nominating any combination of Combs, Convy, and/or Bergeron for an Unlucky Seven... It gets dull fast. We know what's eventually going to happen - you will use every feature on them (minus from the plus, and that's a fucking given) just to waste them. The votes are not out of spite. They're from people who are sick of your bullshit. You decide that instead of trying to play "fair", you cancel a game that pretty much allowed us to run free.
That's right. I said it. We RAN FREE in a game. It's supposed to be a friendly game, but the ToL was pretty much a shitshow from the start. There is no limit on how many times one can vote on a host. That's pretty much the only thing one can do without abiding by all other rules. But what I can't stand is that you use up the features like they're there for the first half of the game only. Then when you wonder why Bergeron, Convy, and Combs are gone halfway through the game and then complain about it, it shouldn't be too obvious.
No offense, but the chicken shit antics have pissed me off.
You're basically saying this - "if I can't get my way, I'm going to take away a piece of your lives". Shelly and I have been down that road numerous times. We've been pissed when the show/host/announcer/whatnot is sent to fantasy hell. We just don't take it out on the rest of the voters by saying things like (and I quote) "annoying fart" and "annoying fart with no 10-Spot". You know that if I were the host of UGSHS and Stacey Hayes was in the ToL, I wouldn't be making fun of her in the NO column if she was up for a 10-Spot.
And then when you continue to degrade the voters by saying that we kiss the ass of Ray Combs by making it the verdict? That just makes you look stupid. You've done this for years now. I don't understand why you take it out on people who are innocent. Fuck, I'm sure that if you just left this bullshit alone, all three of them would be in fucking limbo eventually. Now there is no limbo. What happens if you make a Million Dollar Masters and we can't "play fair"? We all have different opinions there.
Unless you want to do a massive tweak on the ToL rules (and I'm sure that should be done before you consider any chance of doing this again), then fine. Your loss.
I was looking forward to getting characters like that kisser on Just Like Mom into the Hall of Shame. Unfortunately, you leave me no choice but to sit on the floor and weep uncontrollably while rocking in a ball back and forth for all of eternity.
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Post by manekineko on Jan 19, 2013 0:34:37 GMT -5
Ahem, one minor tweak of things. This isn't so much "getting my way" as standing up for myself. Let me ask you something, Mandy. What would you do in my situation? You have people piling on votes for hosts you can't legitimately stand?
The reason I cancelled the game was because of the fact I was being bullied. I have resigned myself to the fact these people will not hit the Hall of Shame. But to dogpile on someone because of the fact that they used a feature and then to do it repeatedly is the kind of shit that makes me decide not to play a game, rather than getting enjoyment out of it.
Plain and simple: You can argue it all you want, but the fact is that the objective of a game is to have fun and if a person's not having fun, there's no point in playing. I don't honestly enjoy game shows as much as I used to (except for The Cube, which is bloody fucking awesome) and I brought the series back as a favor to people who wanted to play it.
My problem was not as much with the votes themselves but the rationale behind them. 13 out of the last 15 votes that were not mine were for one of your sacred cows (including the +/- that Adam used), starting with the Unlucky 7. This was getting out of control. It's blatantly obvious that more than about 9 or 10 were done out of spite.
Competition in general does that though. It turns friends into enemies, partners into rivals, good people into monsters, and it turned you guys into spiteful, vengeful douchebags, assholes and dickweeds -- the kind of people that used to laugh at you when you lost at sports because you weren't that good, yeah, you know the type. The kind of people that would say something like "Yeah, we kicked your ass" three days later. I know damn well you do. When that happens, the only advice that makes sense is what Joshua said in the movie "Wargames". It's "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play".
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Post by shelly on Jan 19, 2013 1:59:33 GMT -5
The reason I cancelled the game was because of the fact I was being bullied. Bullshit. You canceled the game because it's become pretty clear over the last several YEARS (yes, years) that you will never get your way with some of the hosts (the ones you consider our "sacred cows") you continually love to bash for whatever reason, the rest of us said enough was enough, and it's driven you to boiling point. The one who is being the bully is YOU. You constantly nominate the same set of hosts for all the features every fucking game and you've done it through the vast majority of the 33 completed installments, and you were continuing the trend in the 34th. What the fuck were we supposed to do? If a host we (in general) like is being put through the ringer (so to speak) we're going to help them out. You've done the same thing in other games with ones you like that others don't. Why is it okay for you to do it, but not okay for us to do the same thing? YOU are the one launching ad hominem attacks against us, YOU are the one having a tantrum because we've have the audacity to call you out and stand up to your antics, and you think the rest of us are the assholes here?!?! That is some seriously fucked up logic. You really need to take a good damn look at your own actions here. As far as I'm concerned, you've brought this upon yourself.
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Post by manekineko on Jan 19, 2013 2:40:54 GMT -5
Fine. Fuck you, I'll cancel all the games. Congratulations, you're gonna REALLY get your wish now. You don't like my attitude? Don't play. That's all I'm going to say about it. I've spent far too many years kissing the ass of people who deserve absolutely zero respect and treat me like a bag of dog crap, minus the bag. I've learned the hard way: All that does is decimate your self-esteem. I have many MANY scenarios and decades of experience to draw on in that regard.
I learned that with Bevin, I learned that with Marie (my sister-in-law) and I've learned that with teachers, romantic interests and just about any situation you can think of. I'm certainly not going to do it in the name of "fun", which is definitely NOT what this game is becoming anymore.
Like I said, if I wanted to be treated that way, I could find easily a thousand scenarios that would accommodate me and not one of them would be any fun at all. No one talks about the thrill they get job hunting or dealing with the H.R. Manager.
To be honest, I've only really done the last 3 or 4 installments because you guys asked me to. Like I said, I've been progressively losing interest in game shows except for The Cube lately. I do this because you guys enjoyed it. Now the only thing you guys enjoy is bullying and being douchebags to me.
If I had cancelled for the reason you stated, Shel'z, guess what? I would have ended it years ago. Probably after about 25 installments.
Think about that one for a minute. I'm not a fool, and I never expected any of those hosts to hit the Hall of Shame, nor did I expect them to be thrown out of the game. I was genuinely shocked when Chris Knight made it, that was probably the last time that something hit me that didn't follow the "predictable" regime.
The truth is: The opposite is true. I have already agreed to the mid-pack finishes in the main game (the ToL does not have 34 installments, only 32) which many people agreed to. Sometimes I'll even state where the middle is mathematically to avoid conflict. I've never had any of your cows in penalty territory and none of them have ever gotten a suspension, which I did for a good 3 years before I instituted the penalty point system.
Maybe in the first ten or fifteen installments I thought it might happen, but now I only use the features to prevent the flood of "Let's piss off Neko" votes that invariably come in. Fact is: That's even why I have the features, to keep the game from being a straight free-for-all and to cool off when a host gets a flood of votes.
Another truth is: I hate competition, I don't compete except as favors and haven't really since 1999. That's when I learned that people seem to enjoy that kind of thing -- bullying, being abusive in the name of "Friendly competition" and mocking, derision and insulting, and trust me, I've only returned volleys thrown at me. So I learned that the only winning move was not to play. It's just as true now as it was thirteen and a half years ago.
13 out of 15 votes is bullying, not based on strategy, skill or anything else other than "let's piss him off some more", and spite. Simple as that. The funny part is you don't even deny it. Instead you try to justify the bullshit by saying I "brought it on myself".
Note I even said 9 or 10 was reasonable. 13 is not. There comes a point where you're treating someone like a sub-human and you guys long crossed that one. It's not really a "boiling point" simply a realization that this game reflects real life far far too much, the parts of it I don't enjoy.
The simplest solution is the one I took. Don't play. Otherwise I'd watch as I get bullied in a game that I am supposed to enjoy? This isn't high school, and I'm not playing a game that would force me into detention if I didn't play.
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Post by antmanb on Jan 19, 2013 6:51:54 GMT -5
The reason i vote the way i do is because i don't know some of these people. im not trying to be mean or anything. I know its not geared towards me, but still.................
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 19, 2013 10:19:23 GMT -5
You don't like my attitude? Don't play. Cool. You put words in our mouths. Really predictable. Let's see what happens when you read my response to the post where you basically called me out. ---------------------------------------------------- I'd grow a pair of balls. Not take it out on people. I'll give you two examples - Bergeron's Hollywood Squares and Combs' Family Feud. I don't know if anyone else (other than Neko) knows what those shows have in common, but let me tell you. They're both inductees in the UGSS Tournament of Overrated Shows. They're shows I like. What did I do about it? I didn't complain. I didn't tell you guys to fuck off because they ended up winning a game that says that "listen, you're a pretty shitty show that got way too much love". I moved on. Simple as that. I don't know if I told anyone this, but the reason I wanted to do the eviction twist wasn't because of Bergeron's Hollywood Squares getting sent packing in the installment previous to that, contrary to what some of you originally thought. It was because I wanted to do something different. I wanted to do something a little more different than "let's vote on the most overrated show out of the first five shows". I thought it would be fun to see if I could get the board to have a little fun with it, too. But whatever. I'd be told I'm comparing apples to oranges here. I don't know if you're thinking that you can suddenly play victim at the top of the game, saying "I can get my way by getting one of my red-headed stepchildren under a curse at the top of the game, just to piss off my friends". If anyone's to blame for lighting this on fire, it's you. And you wonder why we go on the offensive later. Like I said, the Tournament of Losers is a glorified free-for-all with features. Use a minus, and two people are going to add the votes right back. Use a BD!, and four votes go right back. It would have come sooner or later, but it was getting done. You need to understand that. So due to the fact that one person (the host) isn't having fun, they're going to cancel a game? I hear the world's tiniest violin playing in the background somewhere. You might want to start searching for it. It might be... Ah, hell. I don't know where it is. You want to look for it? I'm not going to go into detail about the number of votes - I'm talking about this "sacred cow" shit that you're rambling on about again. It's when you constantly poke fun at Bergeron, Combs, and Convy like this (and you can toss in Carr and Knight) that you have people rolling their eyes at you. Like I said in the other post... You have "annoying fart with no 10-Spot" as the description for Combs. Really? REALLY? I have never poked fun at a show before. Maybe a casual eyeroll or a "whatever", but that's pretty much it. Do less bitching about a host like this in your results, and maybe I won't go on the offensive. My point is this: It's a game. You do what you do to make sure that the result ends up winning over the majority. We've made a few deals here and there. I don't know if there's a clause in the contract that says "this installment was magically going to send a total of ten hosts into a Million Dollar Masters that will never happen, thanks to you assholes", but whatever. I told you to take a walk last night and clear your mind. Apparently that didn't work. I'll move the ToL to an archive that I'll make when I'm done sending this out, and then when you think that you can try this again... I'd be fucking surprised if you do that... Do it.
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Post by manekineko on Jan 19, 2013 20:29:14 GMT -5
Like I said, I know what you guys want me to be, and it's been illegal in the United States for 150 years.
Moved on by joining the dogpile and taking out revenge on me. The sad part is you do not deny it. That's the funny part. I called a spade a spade and it's pretty much set in stone that the deluge of votes were done out of spite.
That sounds skeptical at best.
Abuse (v.) Use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.
Collude (v.) Come to a secret understanding for a harmful purpose; conspire.
Do I need to continue?
Whose game is it? It's my game, first and foremost. The concept is mine, the game is mine. There's one minor tweak between the umpteen thousand times I was forced into competition in the name of "fun" and made fun of and this one: This time I had one control, and I used it when the abuse was piling on.
When it comes to competition, the only winning move is not to play. I used that move. That's why I don't compete against my friends, because I know what it does.
Competition kills collaboration. It's also why I gave up competition as far as I was concerned. When I saw this was being a competition: Everyone vs. me, that's when I pulled the plug. Clearly friendship was of zero importance. I guarantee you competition does that to people, much like the wonderful friendships of the lions vs. the Christians.
I have a very limited tolerance of competition. I only watch it, I don't partake in it for that reason. I avoid it whenever possible. Why? Because shit like this happens, period. Friendships get lost, rage builds, self-esteem falls, mockery goes on, and on, and on... That's why when I play, it's against a computer. A computer is 1's and 0's, it has no feelings. When this turned into a competition, I realized it and shut the game down.
and what do these pathetic people say "pity party". Sorry, but that's bullshit. That's just an excuse for mind control, period. You can't even come up with anything original. Just the same recycled bullshit that whiny no-brained fucks come up with when they realize a person can have a tolerance for abuse.
Why were the votes piling on? Do I need to bring up "abuse" and "collude" again?
As was I. Asperger's Syndrome lends creedence to large amounts of anger and sorrow and little else.
So basically, you want a slave or a yesman. Got it. Yes ma'am, that's a great idea. ::rolls eyes::
I've been trying to wrap my head around this for the last 15 years, because you do realize I have no fucking clue what you mean, right? So I looked it up and I found a definition that seems to apply in this case.
game (n.) any object of pursuit, attack, abuse, etc. usually used with "fair".
When I rage, it is never for a few hours. I'm usually lucky if I'm calm two days later. Sometimes I get angry for ten days or longer.
And no, I have no intent of starting up the ToL again. I don't trust the same thing not to happen again.
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 19, 2013 21:09:34 GMT -5
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Let me tell you something - I don't ask for people to do that shit. I never said you were one, and I don't know how the hell you came up with this "Neko is a slave" shit from. Requests are a far cry from "you need to do this now".
I don't deny it one bit. Unlike some people. *cough* you *cough*
It was a test to see just how the reaction was. To be honest, the idea was welcomed with open arms... Except for you, when I looked back at the thread. You were honestly bitching about it. Coming from someone who despises Bergeron and pretty much anything he does, I wasn't surprised.
None of us came to an agreement in private. Shelly and I never talked about this on Twitter. Voting for the same person wasn't at all harmful. In your little world, it's collusion. But think about it for a minute - each one of us made our own choices.
If it means anything... I hate to lose. I hate to be wrong. I feel dejected and I'm usually cursing at the computer. I was working on a Spades badge on Pogo a few months ago where I kept losing to the bots because of different reasons. So I modified the rules at the table I was playing at - and once that happened, it was smooth sailing.
"What the hell does that have to do with anything?"
If you know that you can't win with the current rules, change them. Once I changed the rules to the game (or at least the options), I was able to beat the system and earn the badge. I'm sure that the same options would have applied here.
You know what "going through the motions" means? I'm sure you do, but for those of you who have just heard this term for the absolute first time, it's when you do things in a mechanical manner. It's mechanical of you to start off a ToL with an Unlucky Seven. It's mechanical of you to use all of the negative features on a "sacred cow", as you put it. It's not even surprising anymore.
So it shouldn't be surprising that we counter.
I think that (as a test) you should try to do the 10-Spot or Sudden Death results with just yes/no or stay/go. I do that, and I hear no complaining after the vote is final.
No... I'm honestly not sure why you came up with this conclusion to begin with. That was a suggestion, not a "do this now". I didn't know that the two were mutually exclusive.
Let's put it this way: It's been eleven years since you originally started the game (roughly). You should have known that this, at one point in time, was going to turn out this way. This wasn't going to be straight sunshine and flowers in a fantasy world. If you knew that this game was going to become cutthroat eleven years later, would you have taken a chance?
So at the rate we're going, we could be going back and forth for a while. Just listen to me for two seconds.
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Post by manekineko on Jan 19, 2013 22:10:56 GMT -5
Historically, not so I've noticed.
How can I deny it when I called it out?
I looked at the list of five and was playing "One of these things is not like the other" in the eyes of Mandy... So it was more logical to conclude that than anything else.
Choices to fuck me over. It doesn't matter if it was a planned collusion, the strict fact is it was a collusion even if it was coming at the spur of the moment. The sad part was that all the voting was done at the same time, there was no variance.
Competition does terrible things to people. I'm not looking to win, I'm looking for a fair shake. Where does that come in?
There's no "line in stone" which is sad because that would actually make things easier, however, I sensed what was wrong and found out that abuse was taking place on a grand scale. Not based on talent or skill but on spite.
As I said to you earlier, it's to protect against throwing them both into the Masters and eventually the Underdog Hall. Do I trust you not to put them in there? No. Not one bit.
Would you do the same thing? Probably not. Your opinions are pretty well known and you probably need to dissipate anger. Now multiply your anger by a factor of 100,000.
Because I know deep down you would "like it more" if everyone agreed with you 100% of the time. It's okay to admit it, it's human nature. In fact, I'm fully convinced that's about the only way I'd avoid getting banned at this point, is to just blindly agree with you on everything.
Actually, the two are synonymous. Mutually exclusive means they have to be one or the other. Lies and truths are mutually exclusive, another example is if you flip a coin -- the heads or tails outcome are mutually exclusive. You're actually trying to imply the two are mutually exclusive.
Don't feel bad. That's a common grammatical mistake, so common even graduate students make that mistake. Many people believe the term mutually exclusive actually means they have to be one and the same, whereas the truth is the opposite. The same thing happens with the word "nonplussed", nonplussed actually does not mean you were unimpressed; it actually means you're so baffled you don't know what to say.
FUCK NO. Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how evil competitors are? They're the kind of people that would murder their own families, including their pets, for $5.00, and I don't mean in a video game. If I had known that my friends would turn into competitors, I would have never thought to do this. Ever.
I've dealt with it for years, a lot of years. I know what these people do. It's not fun. It's bad, in all cases. I hate competition, period.
Now "friends" and "competitors"... THAT is mutually exclusive.
I did.
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Post by Mandoli on Jan 19, 2013 23:09:00 GMT -5
What is there to notice? Asking someone to do something and telling someone to do something are two different things. I feel as though asking is not slavery.
Deny the fact that you pour the fuel on the fire by using the features at a quick pace. I could go through your threads on both incarnations of the GSN boards and show you how you roll.
I said "let me try something that nobody else has done". I never said "I don't like this result, so I'm going to try to fix it". Look at the Buzz board. I told you that quite a few times. Everyone else was on board with it. And my opinion doesn't mean shit there... Unlike you, who breaks ties in the ToL.
My intention was not to give you the finger. I didn't know that anyone (other than Shelly) was going to vote the way that they did. Honestly.
It was never supposed to be spiteful. You just think that's the case.
Well, you threw Stacey Hayes into the Underdog Hall, who I think just plain sucks. I would have preferred limbo, where we could have focused on the actual game... But you'd probably think all of them are too dorky or obnoxious for limbo.
You're asking me a question that you should know the answer to. Look at my games. I do "yes/no" for 10-Spots and "stay/go" for any Sudden Deaths. That's mainly because I don't have witty lines for shows. I've been doing it for a while - probably since I took over the game from FNCNASCAR and tpirrules.
Bullshit, and you know it. I know people aren't going to agree with me. I feel happy when there's that rare moment when they do, but when people don't, that's fine. Shelly wants you banned because you've been twisting words around and claiming that we've said different things. The only reason why you're not getting banned is because none of this is technically a personal attack.
One of those moments where I've learned something. Thanks. Still... As I've said, asking someone to do something and forcing someone to do something? Not one in the same.
So given all of that... You would have stopped way before the move to the new forum in 2010. Once you noticed the decline in voting, you should have stopped.
The rest of the quote doesn't make sense with the question I had originally posed. It's like you just randomly made up sentences in your mind and thought they would work with the question in front of you. Though I'll say this and I'll close this response.
UGSHS, UGSS, and the late UGSAS? Competitions. All of them.
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