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Post by vahan on Jul 26, 2015 10:17:19 GMT -5
Just speculation, but I think the reason said first season of Moore's TTTT no longer exists is because it retained elements from the waning days of the original CBS run (having a celebrity spouse). G-T may not have been conscientious about those for whatever reason I have yet to know. Again, just speculation.
A good chunk of the Syndicated predecessor to Tattletales in He Said, She Said, also no longer exists.
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Post by WarioSajak on Jul 26, 2015 14:05:11 GMT -5
A bit strange that it looks like a good deal (if not all of it, one reason why I'd really like to see this and the other late '60's G-T revivals regularly) of syndie WML from the first year exists but not the first years of BtC and TTTT. I don't mean to speculate but I wonder what could have happened with that. I think the better question is what of the second syndie WML? season exists, since that'd be the same 1969-70 season. Also, based on Vahan's comment on He Said She Said...what the hell was it with Goodson-Todman and not holding on to their 1969-70 syndication season output? |
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Post by wildjackmonroe on Jul 26, 2015 17:02:49 GMT -5
A bit strange that it looks like a good deal (if not all of it, one reason why I'd really like to see this and the other late '60's G-T revivals regularly) of syndie WML from the first year exists but not the first years of BtC and TTTT. I don't mean to speculate but I wonder what could have happened with that. I think the better question is what of the second syndie WML? season exists, since that'd be the same 1969-70 season. Also, based on Vahan's comment on He Said She Said...what the hell was it with Goodson-Todman and not holding on to their 1969-70 syndication season output? Didn't realize this about He Said She Said... I always wondered why that never got regular airplay on GSN. |
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Post by carpetcrawler on Jul 26, 2015 20:10:12 GMT -5
Just speculation, but I think the reason said first season of Moore's TTTT no longer exists is because it retained elements from the waning days of the original CBS run (having a celebrity spouse). G-T may not have been conscientious about those for whatever reason I have yet to know. Again, just speculation. A good chunk of the Syndicated predecessor to Tattletales in He Said, She Said, also no longer exists. That theory has an immediate hole in it, in that most Collyer episodes of the series that used that as well are still around. It sounds more like something else, especially since it's mostly stuff from 1968-70 that's gone. And then there's the rumor that Mindreaders is gone as well. |
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Post by Kaos on Jul 27, 2015 19:55:57 GMT -5
And then there's the rumor that Mindreaders is gone as well. Having seen that show, one can only hope... |
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Post by carpetcrawler on Jul 29, 2015 2:42:30 GMT -5
This has me wondering, how many Goodson-Todman shows do we know of that have very little episodes that are existing, or just have flat out nothing out there? Mindreaders: we only have two episodes and the opening of a third one. Get the Message: three episodes, including the finale. The Better Sex: Two regular episodes (aired by GSN), and then there's the pilot and the finale. And I know of one other episode that's not publicly available that is definitely out there. Call My Bluff: Pretty sure literally nothing of the actual run exists. He Said, She Said: presumed completely destroyed. Surprisingly enough, the entire Sally Field week exists though, so who knows? An episode from a few other weeks have aired on GSN in the past too. It's News to Me: Who knows? A lot of random 50s black and white stuff surprisingly survived in kinescope form. GSN has aired a handful of episodes. I've Got a Secret (1976): I wonder if this is really wiped or GSN just never had any interest in airing it at all. To Tell the Truth: of course, most of the daytime run is gone for Bud's version. And the first season of Garry Moore's run is gone. Beat the Clock: Most of the ABC daytime run is unaccounted for, and then there's the first year of Jack Narz's version. Judge for Yourself: I do not recall if any of this one exists, wouldn't surprise me though. Make the Connection: as far as I know, half of the series exists. The Match Game:  . A shame most of this one is gone, I'd love to see a color episode. I know at least a dozen+ exist, but the chances of those ever reaching public hands is slim to none. Missing Links: I think like... one or two are accounted for? Number Please: one episode Password: I am still salty over the ABC version being mostly gone. At least let's be thankful the sloppily edited syndicated episodes exist so that the daytime version of the CBS series can have some episodes accounted for. Play Your Hunch: probably one of the longer running G-T shows with barely any accounted for episodes. (a shame, it's a p. fun show) Say When!!: still blows my mind that an episode of this turned up, videoarchives1000, where have you been? Showoffs: once I heard Leslie Nielsen and Richard Dawson did multiple weeks of this version, I've been salty ever since about ABC dumping mostly the entire show. As far as I know, only the Thanksgiving episode and the pilot are accounted for. Snap Judgement: completely wiped, not even any museum archives, and heck I'm pretty sure there's none in any private collections either. Probably the holy grail of G-T shows. Split Personality: None as far as I know, though doesn't the pilot exist? What's Going On?: all but the final episode are accounted for. Two For the Money: surprisingly a decent number exist. What's My Line?: well, all of them did exist until the accidental damage done to the kinescopes for that ABC special. What a shame. At least most are still accounted for. Winner Take All: the handful that do exist have aired on GSN. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jul 29, 2015 11:48:04 GMT -5
You forgot one: By Popular Demand: Nothing exists, as far as I know. Judge for Yourself: I do not recall if any of this one exists, wouldn't surprise me though. Actually, about 20 episodes exist. GSN aired seven in 1997 (right before the "Dark Period" began), including the premiere, the last episode with the original format, the first episode with the second format, and the finale. Make the Connection: as far as I know, half of the series exists. I think the whole series exists. Not 100% sure. Missing Links: I think like... one or two are accounted for? Yeah, pretty much. Snap Judgement: completely wiped, not even any museum archives, and heck I'm pretty sure there's none in any private collections either. Probably the holy grail of G-T shows. Archival Television Audio, Inc. has a 1968 show (pre-format change), but other than that I don't think there's anything. Split Personality: None as far as I know, though doesn't the pilot exist? Yes. Gilmore Box uploaded the intro a while back. videoarchives1000, where have you been? I wish I knew. |
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Post by Kaos on Jul 29, 2015 21:49:49 GMT -5
Two For the Money: surprisingly a decent number exist. ...but will never air on TV due to lots of mentions, as well as giveaways, by it's sponsor, Old Gold Cigarettes. |
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Post by WarioSajak on Jul 30, 2015 10:18:31 GMT -5
Old Gold only sponsored Two For the Money for its first few years, from about 1952-55. Some shows around 1955 had an alternate sponsor (W.A. Sheaffer Pen Co.), at least some of the 1956 shows were sponsored by Bulova, and the 1957 series was sustained by CBS for at least the first episode. Anything post-Old Gold would be fair game for airing. Even then, one of the Buzz 'Til Dawn promos shows Dennis James during one of his Old Gold pitches. And since I forgot this... Beat the Clock: Most of the ABC daytime run is unaccounted for, and then there's the first year of Jack Narz's version. Most of the CBS run between the March 1950 debut and the end of July 1952 is also missing. The earliest episode in GSN's archives is August 2, 1952, although the October 27, 1951 episode also exists. Similarly, the first eight months of The Name's the Same are missing, and the earliest episode known to exist is the August 6, 1952 show. |
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Post by carpetcrawler on Jan 19, 2016 0:52:52 GMT -5
So as a nice little update to this thread:
- The mentioned in another thread episode of What's My Line? from 1950 that has been discovered will be arriving on YouTube very soon!!
- still salty about missing out on that 1969 episode of The Dating Game. Oh well. I should invest in one of those eSnipe services next time.
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Post by vahan on Jan 26, 2016 15:13:04 GMT -5
Not sure if this count as such: There were two weeks of Body Language from July-August 1984 that had always been skipped by GSN. They respectively featured Betty Thomas & Brian Matthews and Fern Fitzgerald & Roger E. Mosley. They have resurfaced, courtesy of Jason Cranmer and Patrick McGuire. myhobbysite-sportsandgameshows.weebly.com/ |
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Post by carpetcrawler on Feb 4, 2016 13:06:46 GMT -5
Counts to me.
Nice to see the What's My Line? episode make it to YouTube. Also of note, an episode of The Guinness Game is finally out there on YouTube. That's another one that wasn't accounted for (though I imagine it's all intact.)
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Post by Kaos on Feb 8, 2016 22:42:52 GMT -5
It was, especially since they included what is probably the most interesting closing in game show history,
"When The Guinness Game returns in exactly 167 hours, 31 minutes, and 15 seconds, and you can bet on it!"
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Post by Frank on Feb 8, 2016 22:47:22 GMT -5
It was, especially since they included what is probably the most interesting closing in game show history, "When The Guinness Game returns in exactly 167 hours, 31 minutes, and 15 seconds, and you can bet on it!" so the hosts on around the horn didn't coin it |
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Post by Kaos on Feb 9, 2016 22:40:29 GMT -5
Well, since ATH was on weekdays, but The Guinness Game was on only weekly, it could go either way. Then again, Tony didn't time it down to the second like Don Galloway did.
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. A shame most of this one is gone, I'd love to see a color episode. I know at least a dozen+ exist, but the chances of those ever reaching public hands is slim to none.
