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Post by lmcjr on Sept 21, 2024 13:36:35 GMT -5
Question... Wikipedia lists Classic Concentration with 4 seasons, while IMDb lists 5.
Which is accurate and how many episodes are in each season?
Need some help, sorting my collection in Plex.
I came across the "Classic Concentration - Mark Goodson Wiki - Fandom" page. However, the episodes are listed by weeks.
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Post by vahan on Sept 21, 2024 14:52:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure why game shows are listed as "seasons". Game shows in Daytime didn't have "seasons". TPIR has been the only exception until the current LMAD. Though if you wanted to designate episodes by seasons, you could consider every anniversary show, including the 1,000th episode, as the beginning of a new season.
I consider each taping session with a different lineup of cars to be a "week" of shows.
Daytime game shows in those days began with 13 weeks, and if it did well enough, it would continue for another 13 weeks, though I think Goodson-Todman shows began with 26 weeks. Allen Ludden once said that they had been renewed for another 26 weeks at the end of 1979 on Password Plus.
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Post by johnnyo on Sept 21, 2024 15:02:49 GMT -5
I just watched what can only be considered an historically bad result in the first car bonus round in episode 994 of CC.
The champion was Butch Dresser, and with 45 seconds on the clock, she managed to make 21 selections resulting in only two matches. Out of all known bonus rounds with 21 selections or more, her rate of 0.46667 selections per elapsed second was the highest rate, and this was the only to begin with less than 50 seconds on the clock. That was impressive, frankly, as more selections results in more information to inform future picks as the round goes on.
However, her failure to make matches was only exceeded by David Hill, who, in episode 775, made 24 selections also resulting in only two matches, while having a full minute (60 seconds) on the clock.
Arguably, this was the second worst bonus round performance in CC history, as measured by the ability (or lack thereof) to turn a high volume of selections (21+) into matches.
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Post by ivoryface86 on Sept 21, 2024 15:04:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure why game shows are listed as "seasons". Game shows in Daytime didn't have "seasons". TPIR has been the only exception until the current LMAD. Though if you wanted to designate episodes by seasons, you could consider every anniversary show, including the 1,000th episode, as the beginning of a new season. I consider each taping session with a different lineup of cars to be a "week" of shows. Network daytime game shows are categorized as Daytime Years, like both daytime counterparts of both Feud runs were categorized as Daytime Years. All versions of LMAD, Fantasy, and yes, even Tattletales, were much like any Chuck Barris daytime show, where the episodes are aired out-of-taping sequence. TPIR still does that today, where a new daytime year has leftover things from the previous daytime year is carried into the first 20-30 episodes of the current daytime year and then takes a month off and then brand new sightings premiere after the month off. For instance, for Daytime Year #30, the red-green-blue-yellow-red-green-blue-yellow-red curtain pattern debuted PRIOR to the WTC crash but was first televised after Halloween. |
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 22, 2024 3:47:29 GMT -5
Question... Wikipedia lists Classic Concentration with 4 seasons, while IMDb lists 5. Which is accurate and how many episodes are in each season? Need some help, sorting my collection in Plex. I came across the "Classic Concentration - Mark Goodson Wiki - Fandom" page. However, the episodes are listed by weeks. I use Plex also. For me at least, I just list the entire series as Season 1, and the episodes by their number. Because I collect only the Two Strikes 2.0 format, I sort them out starting from S01E797 onwards, so S01E797, S01E798, S01E799, S01E800... etc. Hope that helps? P.S. Don't trust Wikipedia.  |
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 22, 2024 3:53:11 GMT -5
I just watched what can only be considered an historically bad result in the first car bonus round in episode 994 of CC. The champion was Butch Dresser, and with 45 seconds on the clock, she managed to make 21 selections resulting in only two matches. Out of all known bonus rounds with 21 selections or more, her rate of 0.46667 selections per elapsed second was the highest rate, and this was the only to begin with less than 50 seconds on the clock. That was impressive, frankly, as more selections results in more information to inform future picks as the round goes on. However, her failure to make matches was only exceeded by David Hill, who, in episode 775, made 24 selections also resulting in only two matches, while having a full minute (60 seconds) on the clock. Arguably, this was the second worst bonus round performance in CC history, as measured by the ability (or lack thereof) to turn a high volume of selections (21+) into matches. First off, do give Butch a bit of respect there, she's a senior. #RespectYourElders Second, I think there was a much worse performance in a very early episode from 1987, the champion was a young lady named Diana, she had 70 (!!) seconds on the clock and didn't even make more than 1 or 2 matches (I believe - correct me if I'm wrong?) in her only bonus game, and Alex said, "Next time out, 75 seconds - that's longer than my previous marriage" or something to that effect. (That's another reason why I only watch the Two Strikes 2.0 format of CC - it is the fairest of the formats!) As we've learned from Dina's (episodes 986-990) case, sometimes poor gameplay performance might be due to one getting tired or not having a good rest the night before. Anything can happen over a period when there is no taping, and sometimes players may decide to change their strategy during such a period, according to what has been shared with me. It's possible therefore that Butch might have been tired in that bonus game you saw. Tiredness can affect anybody of any age at anytime; in episode 1036 Bonus Game 1, Terri (a young lady and a very good champion btw - possibly my favorite CC champ) had 55 seconds on the clock but she made only one match, and Alex thought she was "doing it on purpose or what?" but of course from her body language it was clear she was a bit tired. (Terri later went on to win a Justy in the following episode's Bonus Game 1 with 65 seconds.) |
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 23, 2024 15:08:03 GMT -5
All right. Today's episodes have been successfully uploaded. Sadly, episode 1001 was skipped; according to what Alex mentioned in the ensuing episode (1002), there had been a car win in Game 2's Winner's Circle by a dude named Gordon, who won his car in only 29 seconds, explaining why Debi had an X at the start of episode 1002. Had there been a tournament of champions in 1991, Gordon would have surely qualified. Because episode 1001 was skipped, we will never know what he looked like.
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Post by johnnyo on Sept 23, 2024 15:31:53 GMT -5
I just watched what can only be considered an historically bad result in the first car bonus round in episode 994 of CC. The champion was Butch Dresser, and with 45 seconds on the clock, she managed to make 21 selections resulting in only two matches. Out of all known bonus rounds with 21 selections or more, her rate of 0.46667 selections per elapsed second was the highest rate, and this was the only to begin with less than 50 seconds on the clock. That was impressive, frankly, as more selections results in more information to inform future picks as the round goes on. However, her failure to make matches was only exceeded by David Hill, who, in episode 775, made 24 selections also resulting in only two matches, while having a full minute (60 seconds) on the clock. Arguably, this was the second worst bonus round performance in CC history, as measured by the ability (or lack thereof) to turn a high volume of selections (21+) into matches. First off, do give Butch a bit of respect there, she's a senior. #RespectYourElders Second, I think there was a much worse performance in a very early episode from 1987, the champion was a young lady named Diana, she had 70 (!!) seconds on the clock and didn't even make more than 1 or 2 matches (I believe - correct me if I'm wrong?) in her only bonus game, and Alex said, "Next time out, 75 seconds - that's longer than my previous marriage" or something to that effect. (That's another reason why I only watch the Two Strikes 2.0 format of CC - it is the fairest of the formats!) It was Diana Fouts, playing in the second Bonus Round of episode 69. While hers was also a poor performance, she "only" managed 20 selections in a round with 70 seconds. Since Butch had managed to cram in 21 selections in 45 seconds, that's why I focused only on bonus rounds with 21 selections or more. |
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Post by johnnyo on Sept 23, 2024 16:47:23 GMT -5
After watching episode 995, I have an interesting note about the second game having only one Wild Card.
This began on episode # 702. Typically. Alex would announce at start of the game whether or not that second game only had one Wild Card. If the game had three Wild Cards, he would not mention anything at all, although on seven occasions when he did not mention anything, the game in fact did only have one Wild Card (which could be determined by examining the revealed prizes later in the game).
This meant that whenever Alex said there was only Wild Card, that always the case. Until episode 995, when Alex said there was only one, but there were in fact three. First time that had happened.
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 24, 2024 11:52:39 GMT -5
After watching episode 995, I have an interesting note about the second game having only one Wild Card. This began on episode # 702. Typically. Alex would announce at start of the game whether or not that second game only had one Wild Card. If the game had three Wild Cards, he would not mention anything at all, although on seven occasions when he did not mention anything, the game in fact did only have one Wild Card (which could be determined by examining the revealed prizes later in the game). This meant that whenever Alex said there was only Wild Card, that always the case. Until episode 995, when Alex said there was only one, but there were in fact three. First time that had happened. Yes, you are right. While it was still generally very ad-hoc, the one WILD! card in Game 2 was getting increasingly common by this time. By the time of Terri's appearance (episode 1034-1037) and from there on, there was only one known instance (I believe... correct me if I am wrong) where there were the usual three WILD! cards in Game 2, i.e. episode 1043 (both games with Brad vs Steven). |
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 24, 2024 11:57:27 GMT -5
First off, do give Butch a bit of respect there, she's a senior. #RespectYourElders Second, I think there was a much worse performance in a very early episode from 1987, the champion was a young lady named Diana, she had 70 (!!) seconds on the clock and didn't even make more than 1 or 2 matches (I believe - correct me if I'm wrong?) in her only bonus game, and Alex said, "Next time out, 75 seconds - that's longer than my previous marriage" or something to that effect. (That's another reason why I only watch the Two Strikes 2.0 format of CC - it is the fairest of the formats!) It was Diana Fouts, playing in the second Bonus Round of episode 69. While hers was also a poor performance, she "only" managed 20 selections in a round with 70 seconds. Since Butch had managed to cram in 21 selections in 45 seconds, that's why I focused only on bonus rounds with 21 selections or more. I never really bothered to memorize how many matches each champ made in the bonus rounds, correct matches or otherwise. What mattered to me was their strategy - their pattern, how effective it was, and how many they could do in the given time. At least that was as far as the bonus round was concerned. That's another reason to love the Two Strikes 2.0 format. Every returning champ built up their own clock of bonus time, so it would not "carry over" - that was IMHO fairer than any other format; hence that is why I refer to the Two Strikes 2.0 format as the Master, or Gamma, stage of the show. That's also probably why it was the only era that aired where I came from. We're very lucky that we're going to be seeing episodes 1003-1016 for the rest of this upcoming week. We're getting very close now to Terri's appearances on the show. If what Alex was saying to her in episode 1036 was correct ("... the longest time we've had for any contestant on Concentration was 70 seconds, and that person finally ended up winning a car..."), we may well see that contestant between now and episode 1034. Let's keep our hooves crossed. /) |
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Post by johnnyo on Sept 24, 2024 13:29:59 GMT -5
After watching episode 995, I have an interesting note about the second game having only one Wild Card. This began on episode # 702. Typically. Alex would announce at start of the game whether or not that second game only had one Wild Card. If the game had three Wild Cards, he would not mention anything at all, although on seven occasions when he did not mention anything, the game in fact did only have one Wild Card (which could be determined by examining the revealed prizes later in the game). This meant that whenever Alex said there was only Wild Card, that always the case. Until episode 995, when Alex said there was only one, but there were in fact three. First time that had happened. Yes, you are right. While it was still generally very ad-hoc, the one WILD! card in Game 2 was getting increasingly common by this time. By the time of Terri's appearance (episode 1034-1037) and from there on, there was only one known instance (I believe... correct me if I am wrong) where there were the usual three WILD! cards in Game 2, i.e. episode 1043 (both games with Brad vs Steven). The very last episode with 3 WC's in the second game was episode 1085. I expect there will be more episodes with 3 WC's as we get to see the remaining episodes on BUZZR. |
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Post by aaaa on Sept 24, 2024 14:09:00 GMT -5
There should have been either a $100 house minimum per round, or $50 per match in the bonus round for those who didn't win the car, to avoid a player who won a game with no prizes leaving empty handed(like High Rollers 1987 have $100 per game when no prizes were won, and the $200 minimum on Wheel in the 80s-90s)
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Post by ivoryface86 on Sept 24, 2024 14:21:48 GMT -5
There should have been either a $100 house minimum per round, or $50 per match in the bonus round for those who didn't win the car, to avoid a player who won a game with no prizes leaving empty handed(like High Rollers 1987 have $100 per game when no prizes were won, and the $200 minimum on Wheel in the 80s-90s) There were other shows where a reigning champion went away empty handed, such as the OG TJW prior to the debut of the giant lever, and Rafferty Card Sharks once they inaugurated the Prize Cards and 7-Card Car Game, PYL, and the NYC era of Pyramid, also Temptation, FremantleMedia's biggest bombshell. |
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Post by peaceandlovescooters on Sept 24, 2024 15:38:55 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. While it was still generally very ad-hoc, the one WILD! card in Game 2 was getting increasingly common by this time. By the time of Terri's appearance (episode 1034-1037) and from there on, there was only one known instance (I believe... correct me if I am wrong) where there were the usual three WILD! cards in Game 2, i.e. episode 1043 (both games with Brad vs Steven). The very last episode with 3 WC's in the second game was episode 1085. I expect there will be more episodes with 3 WC's as we get to see the remaining episodes on BUZZR. Ah, thanks for the info johnnyo . It's been awhile since I had that episode (Kevin vs Carol / Ben vs Susan) so I didn't really bother to take note. When I first saw CC as a child I was more interested in seeing who could win a car. WILD! cards were really fun though; I liked Antoinette's poker face when she found the WILD! card on her second turn in Episode 1036 Game 1  Speaking of winning a car. Today's four episodes all returned no car wins at all. Another reason to love the Two Strikes 2.0 format - it was so fair, that winning a car could be really difficult; you had to make all seven matches in as short a time as possible, or hold out and keep on winning games by solving puzzles until your clock went up to a significantly high number (such as 65 seconds in Terri's case; she obviously had to win at least six or seven games) without getting two X's. |
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